Jared Crozier: 2 weeks till deadline, Sens open for business, has Dorion already lost?

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Jared Crozier: 2 weeks till deadline, Sens open for business, has Dorion already lost?
- JaredCrozier

Just curious but what do you think it would take to get Phaneuf? Would Ottawa retain money to make a deal?

Just curious but what do you think it would take to get Phaneuf? Would Ottawa retain money to make a deal?
- J35Bacher

Phanuef is a solid 2nd pairing D-man. That said, Ottawa is looking to move salary.

The owner won't like to retain $ so the more $ the team acquiring takes, I imagine the price would come down.

If I was a team that wanted a top 4D for a cheap price (in terms of assets used to obtain) I'd imagine Phanuef could be had for a depth D-man (3rd pairing) and/or prospect and a 3rd (with 1.5m retained against Ottawa's cap)

Making him a 5.5m cap hit

Just curious but what do you think it would take to get Phaneuf? Would Ottawa retain money to make a deal?
- J35Bacher

With the Flyers current group of D prospects, I have zero interest in a player who's out of his prime and signed for 46 more years.

Phanuef is a solid 2nd pairing D-man. That said, Ottawa is looking to move salary.

The owner won't like to retain $ so the more $ the team acquiring takes, I imagine the price would come down.

If I was a team that wanted a top 4D for a cheap price (in terms of assets used to obtain) I'd imagine Phanuef could be had for a depth D-man (3rd pairing) and/or prospect and a 3rd (with 1.5m retained against Ottawa's cap)

Making him a 5.5m cap hit
- AlfieisKing

I like Phaneuf more then some. I know he has a bad rap. He can still log some heavy minutes as a 2nd pair guy. Also i like him as a vet guy as the Flyers add young guys to the back end.

That Matt Duchene deal has some eery similarities to the (Burke engineered) Kessel deal. Right after the deal the team sucks and some high draft picks yet to be paid to the team that acquired them.

Solve the goaltending problem and re-tool. Don't rebuild. Everybody forgets where this team was less than a year ago.

Sens have an All-Star #1 Center, a Superstar #1 Defenseman, A Selke worthy #1 Winger, two highly regarded prospects in White and Chabot...the building blocks are in place.

AlfieFever

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Solve the goaltending problem and re-tool. Don't rebuild. Everybody forgets where this team was less than a year ago.

Both last season and this season are anomalies - Ottawa is not this bad of a team, and last year they weren't "that" good of a team - the true team lies somewhere in the middle

I like Phaneuf more then some. I know he has a bad rap. He can still log some heavy minutes as a 2nd pair guy. Also i like him as a vet guy as the Flyers add young guys to the back end.
- J35Bacher

Phanuef is a solid 2nd pairing guy.

His ability to skate against speedy forwards is a question at times, but he doesn't deserve to be put on top pair against the leagues best. He is overpaid (based on his name). He is a 2nd pairing D-man, big body that can fight, and is very engaged.

If I had to give up a 2nd round pick to have him at 5.5m I'd do it; doubt Melynk goes along - he is more like a 5m to be more accurate (4.5-5m)

I think the window to rid ourselves of a bad contract has already passed. Pierre Dorion should have given George McPhee whatever he wanted to make sure that Vegas selected Bobby Ryan

Thoughts on Sheary as a centerpiece of a Brassard deal?

Not sure exactly what OTT is trying to do but Sheary is young, fairly cheap, fast, productive. Pens add a 1st or a prospect not named Sprong.

We move Sheary simply because we have wing plenty of wing depth.

Tearing everything down has worked out for maybe one team out of every four that's tried it, and usually depends heavily on massive draft luck to secure an unusually good player. It also depends on how the team manages all of the new high-end contracts required to keep everyone in the fold, which is obviously where the Oilers have run into huge problems on two separate occasions. Plus, with the revised lottery rules there are even fewer guarantees in terms of draft position, so you really have to ask how much better off you are blowing things up if you only have the likes of a Brady Tkachuk or Quinn Hughes to show for a wrecked season.

As for Phaneuf, if they're desperate to save money he would be a very affordable buyout and it would just create a hole on their 2nd defence pairing... so any team expecting Ottawa to eat salary will have to give up something worthwhile.

One of the biggest challenges with a total tear-down is the fact they have traded away their 1st round pick either this year or next to Colorado.

It will be a total disaster if they defer the pick to next year - because they look like they could be picking top 5 this year - only to see next years be an even higher pick due to a tear down of the roster.

Could you imagine the outrage if they ended up with a top 3 pick next season and then watched Colorado choose a player with it?!

Both last season and this season are anomalies - Ottawa is not this bad of a team, and last year they weren't "that" good of a team - the true team lies somewhere in the middle
- Horus1927

I agree. That's why a rebuild isn't necessary. I don't know how they're going to fix the goaltending problem though.

Why is Sheary's production so low this year? His numbers are very poor.

Your first rounder, one of your 2 top goaltending prospects plus another piece should be the ask. Is Sheary that third piece? Sheary wouldn't be the centrepiece of any deal.

MOVE OUT:
Brassard
Smith
Pageau (if the return is good enough)
Burrows (if you can)
Ryan (if you can)
Phaneuf (if you can)
Oduya (if you can)
Anderson (if you can)

I'm not as down on guys like Thompson, Pyatt, or Ceci. The first two are pretty cheap, experienced guys, and aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Ceci, given his relatively poopty season, should be re-signing for relatively little dollars- if he wants north of what he already makes, then he gets shipped out as well. Should be noted Dumont can be sent down next year.

As someone already mentioned- we have a lot of really nice pieces. I don't think this team needs a full on rebuild. Brassard and Smith should bring back decent returns, and if you can use Pageau to pull a big return, I think you pull the trigger with the other options we have coming (White, Brown). He's the typical centre we have here in Ottawa a la Foligno, Vermette, Fisher, Zibanejad. Not quite a 2nd line C, but too good to be a 3rd. He'll then go on to be a great player, I'm sure of it.

One of the biggest challenges with a total tear-down is the fact they have traded away their 1st round pick either this year or next to Colorado.

It will be a total disaster if they defer the pick to next year - because they look like they could be picking top 5 this year - only to see next years be an even higher pick due to a tear down of the roster.

Could you imagine the outrage if they ended up with a top 3 pick next season and then watched Colorado choose a player with it?!
- maaddmike

I see it like this ... after the lottery, this year's pick is KNOWN and likely top 5. Next year's pick is UNKNOWN and goes to another conference. So it seems the wiser decision to take what you know. Otherwise you could get hosed both years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpIog7e-R4

I've been saying Sens should move Smith, Brassard, and Pag for awhile now. That frees up about 11 million car room give or take a few million replacing those guys with cheap interim options, which leave about 8-9 mill of cap space. This is good for the Stone resigning and a possible Duchene extension with a tiny raise.

Still not sure how Macarthurs contract works and LTIR. But maybe there is a move there somehow to get that off the Ottawa books?

That still leaves the Karlsson situation, but you can focus on that in the summer when more money can be moved and you will also see how much the cap increases by.

The core of this team is absolutely fine. It's the depth, goaltending, and deployment of players that is the issue.

I don't agree the Sens and Karlsson need some kind of non-binding agreement just yet. Everything is magnified with the team losing. A summer to recharge and a fresh start can do wonders for a players morale. Trying to get him on board right now is wishful thinking. Give him a couple of months in the summer to chill, hang with the wife, not be bombarded with media everyday he will realize he doesn't have it so bad and might be more enticed to sign.

How many weeks until the season is over? What a mess of a season on and off the ice

I've been saying Sens should move Smith, Brassard, and Pag for awhile now. That frees up about 11 million car room give or take a few million replacing those guys with cheap interim options, which leave about 8-9 mill of cap space. This is good for the Stone resigning and a possible Duchene extension with a tiny raise.

That still leaves the Karlsson situation, but you can focus on that in the summer when more money can be moved and you will also see how much the cap increases by.

The core of this team is absolutely fine. It's the depth, goaltending, and deployment of players that is the issue.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agree with Karlsson + team needing step back from what is a horrible season. I highly doubt this team finishes low next season (not having their 1st is a huge reason too) and I think there's a good chance their in the playoffs depending on Boucher + moves coming.

I do think the core is strong but two guys have to show they are stars: Hoffman & Duchene. OR others emerge because Stone & EK are the stars and I'm concerned about rest being top line guys big time.

Still not sure how Macarthurs contract works and LTIR. But maybe there is a move there somehow to get that off the Ottawa books?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

good Q; believe sens play like 20% of something

Logan Brown is 83 in OHL scoring; but he's missed a lot of time due to injury. His points per game is 1.8. No one comes close...

Andrei Svechnikov - Barrie (1.5 PPG)
Owen Tippet - Mississauga (1.42 PPG)
Robert Thomas - Hamilton (1.55 PGG)

except, only player that has more... Jordan Kyrou - Sarnia (1.9) - St. Louis pick like Thomas. Tippet was a top pick by FLA last year and we all know Schnikov is one of the top prospects outside the NHL. So other than Kyrou

Not knocking Brown but you have to take into account that he is playing against children and was drafted two years ago... Any guy with talent to be selected in the first round and has 6'6 and 220 lbs of size should absolutely be dominant in the OHL against children.

Not knocking Brown but you have to take into account that he is playing against children and was drafted two years ago... Any guy with talent to be selected in the first round and has 6'6 and 220 lbs of size should absolutely be dominant in the OHL against children.
- blizzzard

I've had the exact same thought.

Nick Paul had some good stats in the OHL and has since had some growing pains. Brown's even bigger (and better, or appears to be)

Now, that's a small sample size, and I think Brown is a better player, and has the potential to be great, but it's something we need to be aware of. Still, all we can do now is be optimist as he continues to excel, curious to see what happens next year at camp. Is he old enough to go to the AHL?

If Pitt wants Brassard; hows this?
No way Pitt gives up a 1st for a guy that will be a third line C.
So,
To Pitt - Brassard
to Ottawa 2nd Rd, Daniel Sprong (AHL) and Riley Sheehan (needed to make the $ work) Riley is 26 (RFA next year) and a former 2010 1st Rounder who never panned out, but can fill the void until years end.